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> <channel><title>Comments on: Have the Data Wars Begun &#8211; A Response</title> <atom:link href="http://withavoicelikethis.com/have-the-data-wars-begun-a-response/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://withavoicelikethis.com/have-the-data-wars-begun-a-response/</link> <description>More than 60% Mouth - Show Notes and Blog</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:18:51 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: James Goodrich</title><link>http://withavoicelikethis.com/have-the-data-wars-begun-a-response/#comment-57</link> <dc:creator>James Goodrich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:51:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://test.withavoicelikethis.com/?p=79#comment-57</guid> <description>Tim, thank you for your thoughts. I do want to reply to them.I agree that&#039;s the way the question should have read, my point was that the question didn&#039;t read that way.As for a Lamborghini not being Data, that&#039;s what makes that example an analogy instead of a simple comparison. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bartleby.com/61/90/A0279000.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition&lt;/a&gt; defines analogy as &lt;blockquote&gt;1a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar. b. A comparison based on such similarity. See synonyms at likeness.&lt;/blockquote&gt; I&#039;ll further the Lamborghini analogy in a bit.Publicly available information is not the same as unprotected. To understand my position a bit better you can read &lt;a href=&quot;http://withavoicelikethis.com/?p=82&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today&#039;s entry&lt;/a&gt; in my blog.And yes, I can stop you from sending me a Birthday card from the information in the telephone book (you&#039;d be hard pressed to find me in the yellow pages), all I have to do is ask for an unlisted number and my information won&#039;t appear in that hard copy database. I can even take it a step further and add my number to a National &quot;No Call&quot; registry and the telemarketers can&#039;t use my information even if it is publicly available. My Data, my choice.As for using my name all you want and I can&#039;t stop you? Let&#039;s revisit the Lamborghini analogy. You can buy a publicly available exact replica of my Lamborghini, same make, model, year, even color. That doesn&#039;t make my Lamborghini yours any more than it makes yours mine. And it doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re unprotected, there are licenses and I doubt that your key would work in my car or that my key would work in your car. Same cars, different owners. Try to take my Lamborghini and drive it away claiming it&#039;s yours, you&#039;d best be ready for Grand Theft Auto charges and a record.As for TOS agreements, after having spent over two years meeting with a Legal team every other week and whenever else was necessary for creating and posting a TOS agreement on the Website of the Health Benefits Management Corporation for whom I worked, While your statement can be very true, is it worth flaunting to see if your the one to get caught? Well,that&#039;s your choice.And yes, This will go on for a very long time, if HIPAA is any indication. And the more it&#039;s discussed, the better.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, thank you for your thoughts. I do want to reply to them.</p><p>I agree that&#8217;s the way the question should have read, my point was that the question didn&#8217;t read that way.</p><p>As for a Lamborghini not being Data, that&#8217;s what makes that example an analogy instead of a simple comparison. <a
href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/90/A0279000.html" rel="nofollow">The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition</a> defines analogy as<br
/><blockquote>1a. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar. b. A comparison based on such similarity. See synonyms at likeness.</p></blockquote><p> I&#8217;ll further the Lamborghini analogy in a bit.</p><p>Publicly available information is not the same as unprotected. To understand my position a bit better you can read <a
href="http://withavoicelikethis.com/?p=82" rel="nofollow">today&#8217;s entry</a> in my blog.</p><p>And yes, I can stop you from sending me a Birthday card from the information in the telephone book (you&#8217;d be hard pressed to find me in the yellow pages), all I have to do is ask for an unlisted number and my information won&#8217;t appear in that hard copy database. I can even take it a step further and add my number to a National &#8220;No Call&#8221; registry and the telemarketers can&#8217;t use my information even if it is publicly available. My Data, my choice.</p><p>As for using my name all you want and I can&#8217;t stop you? Let&#8217;s revisit the Lamborghini analogy. You can buy a publicly available exact replica of my Lamborghini, same make, model, year, even color. That doesn&#8217;t make my Lamborghini yours any more than it makes yours mine. And it doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re unprotected, there are licenses and I doubt that your key would work in my car or that my key would work in your car. Same cars, different owners. Try to take my Lamborghini and drive it away claiming it&#8217;s yours, you&#8217;d best be ready for Grand Theft Auto charges and a record.</p><p>As for TOS agreements, after having spent over two years meeting with a Legal team every other week and whenever else was necessary for creating and posting a TOS agreement on the Website of the Health Benefits Management Corporation for whom I worked, While your statement can be very true, is it worth flaunting to see if your the one to get caught? Well,that&#8217;s your choice.</p><p>And yes, This will go on for a very long time, if HIPAA is any indication. And the more it&#8217;s discussed, the better.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tim Kissane</title><link>http://withavoicelikethis.com/have-the-data-wars-begun-a-response/#comment-56</link> <dc:creator>Tim Kissane</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:38:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://test.withavoicelikethis.com/?p=79#comment-56</guid> <description>A very well crafted analogy. I think, perhaps, the final question should read, “Who owns the Lamborghini? The Club or James or Burt?” In any case, the analogy fails for at least one very good reason: a Lamborghini is not data. There is a clear and distinct (at least, in mt mind) difference between a physical person or object and information about that person or object.I tried, briefly, to make this point almost a week ago (see http://69.253.47.61:8080/?p=18 ). You may think you own your name, but try to stop me from using it. I can say it all day, I can give it to my child, I can even change my name to yours. Not only that, but if I find out your friend&#039;s and family&#039;s names, I can use those, too.Names aren&#039;t the only unprotected items. I can look up your address data in the yellow pages and send you a birthday card. You don&#039;t like it, too bad. Are you going to claim I &quot;scraped&quot; your data or the directory&#039;s data?If I sign up for a service, free or otherwise, and agree to what is almost always an abhorrently oppressive TOS, my only option if I don&#039;t like the terms is to stop using the service. But that doesn&#039;t imply that the often ridiculous terms are legally binding or even reasonable.This will be an interesting and ongoing debate for some time. That&#039;s one of the great things about the Net: (almost) everyone can voice their opinion (almost) equally.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very well crafted analogy. I think, perhaps, the final question should read, “Who owns the Lamborghini? The Club or James or Burt?” In any case, the analogy fails for at least one very good reason: a Lamborghini is not data. There is a clear and distinct (at least, in mt mind) difference between a physical person or object and information about that person or object.</p><p>I tried, briefly, to make this point almost a week ago (see <a
href="http://69.253.47.61:8080/?p=18" rel="nofollow">http://69.253.47.61:8080/?p=18</a> ). You may think you own your name, but try to stop me from using it. I can say it all day, I can give it to my child, I can even change my name to yours. Not only that, but if I find out your friend&#8217;s and family&#8217;s names, I can use those, too.</p><p>Names aren&#8217;t the only unprotected items. I can look up your address data in the yellow pages and send you a birthday card. You don&#8217;t like it, too bad. Are you going to claim I &#8220;scraped&#8221; your data or the directory&#8217;s data?</p><p>If I sign up for a service, free or otherwise, and agree to what is almost always an abhorrently oppressive TOS, my only option if I don&#8217;t like the terms is to stop using the service. But that doesn&#8217;t imply that the often ridiculous terms are legally binding or even reasonable.</p><p>This will be an interesting and ongoing debate for some time. That&#8217;s one of the great things about the Net: (almost) everyone can voice their opinion (almost) equally.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nathan Ketsdever</title><link>http://withavoicelikethis.com/have-the-data-wars-begun-a-response/#comment-55</link> <dc:creator>Nathan Ketsdever</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://test.withavoicelikethis.com/?p=79#comment-55</guid> <description>Interesting argument.  I tend to agree.  I think Facebook may have a decent argument to make in terms of stewardship of their employees&#039; and investors&#039; resources as well (which is where things get complicated)And PS I&#039;ve been told that their TOSA leaves them with your data, even if you delete your account.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting argument.  I tend to agree.  I think Facebook may have a decent argument to make in terms of stewardship of their employees&#8217; and investors&#8217; resources as well (which is where things get complicated)</p><p>And PS I&#8217;ve been told that their TOSA leaves them with your data, even if you delete your account.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Cliff Ravenscraft</title><link>http://withavoicelikethis.com/have-the-data-wars-begun-a-response/#comment-54</link> <dc:creator>Cliff Ravenscraft</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:40:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://test.withavoicelikethis.com/?p=79#comment-54</guid> <description>Very well stated.  I agree!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well stated.  I agree!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>

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